December 11, 1970 Indore – Room Conversation

Prabhupāda: These are not legends; they are fact. Those who are not intelligent, they take it as legend. There are so many descriptions which is not within our experience—we take it as legend. Now, I gave some gentleman the example that the coconut tree. On the tree there are coconut and there are one-kilo water. Now, how the water is transported there? Where is the pipe? Where is the pumping? Because you have got experience, if you want to get water high, you have to pump and you must have pipe. So where is the pipe and where is the pumping machine?

Indian man (1): In the tree.

Prabhupāda: So as you see, actually it is packed up nice, two pounds of water, very nice… And so nicely packed. How it has happened? What is the explanation of the scientists? According to their calculation, there must be pipe. There must be pumping. Somebody must be pumping. Where are all these? Then is it legend? It is fact. Now you explain how it is happening. If you are scientist, you explain how it is happening. Or you do that. Simply observation will not do. You must make experiment. You make a log standing like that, keep anything, and the…, it…, water must go.
Indian man (1): Keep the water there…

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian man (1): …and distill it.

Prabhupāda: Distill it. [laughter] Then your science will be all right. And where is that, your…? Then what is the value of your science? If you cannot explain which is within your experience and you set aside, “Oh, it is all legend, it is all foolishness…” You have no knowledge about that. You admit that. How it is done, you cannot do it, or you have not attained to that standard of knowledge. You say that. Don’t say it is legend. That is foolishness. You admit your weakness. If you are as equal, equal in intelligence, then explain how this water is being…

Indian man (1): I had one discussion. So I was given to understand that the pressure in the earth sends.

Prabhupāda: That’s all right. You do it practically. Show. [laughter] No explanation will do.

Indian man (1): Only when a living thing goes into the earth, just like trees, then, only then, that thing can happen.

Prabhupāda: So why don’t you make a living thing like that?

Indian man (1): The thing was made… That is nature.

Prabhupāda: Then the nature is more intelligent than you. So then there are many intelligent works of nature. You do not know.

Indian man (1): What is in the stars[?] is also nature.

Prabhupāda: So you have no full knowledge of nature. That’s it. Then you cannot claim that you are perfect, your knowledge is perfect.

Indian man (1): This example is very interesting, coconut tree.

Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many things. So many things. But there is explanation in the Vedas: parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8].
The energy of Kṛṣṇa is working so wonderfully that it appears that exactly it is done by expert person. Now, take a flower, this flower. How nicely it is painted.

Indian man (1): Comes out of a green thing, red.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Just see. And how perfectly it is made, coloring. The most beautiful. Nobody can suggest that further coloring this way would have been better. No. This is parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svābhāvikī. Automatically it is done. Automatically.

Indian man (1): And seasonal.

Prabhupāda: Seasonal.

Indian man (1): In one season the same thing will be done all the places.

Prabhupāda: All the place. In the season in millions of trees, immediately the same flower is coming out.

Indian man (1): What will bloom in summer…

Prabhupāda: So many things, there is no explanation. They cannot simply say… Bogus, humbug things they can present, but there is no clear explanation. Even in our body. Now, these hairs are coming out, and what is the explanation of these rascals? These hairs are coming. You’re cutting, and coming. Your energy. You do not know your energy, even, what is that energy by which the hair is coming. It is from your body. That means it is your energy. The energy is within you. You do not know how many hairs are there, although it is put in by your…

Indian man (1): Thousands, thousands of… [laughter]

Prabhupāda: This is… Abodha-jāta. Therefore a living entity is called abodha-jāta, “born ignorant, born rascal, born foolish.” Abodha-jāta.

Indian man (1): Abodha-jāta.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Abodha means no knowledge, and jāta means born. By birth he is fool, and he is claiming, “I am God.” By birth he’s a fool, and he’s claiming, “I am God.” Just see. This is illusion. This is the māyā. He cannot… He does not know how the hairs are growing, and he is God. Just see. “I am God.” This has become a fashion, dangerous fashion. And these Māyāvādī philosophers, daridra-nārāyaṇa, this Nārāyaṇa, that Nārāyaṇa…

Because Nārāyaṇa is there, therefore he’s Nārāyaṇa. Because you are within your coat, therefore you are coat. This is their argument. Because I am in the room, I am room. Is that very sound argument? Because Nārāyaṇa is there, therefore he is Nārāyaṇa. Aiye.